Hi Jaco, so same as others I have heard some stories about people getting in to trouble for changing a light bulb in a bar, but not heard any deportation stories, the Thai law simply says a farang cannot work without a work permit so it's potentially very open to interpretation and this happens a lot, but the general idea of this law is to try and protect Thai jobs it's not to get people in to trouble, so I think a reasonable common sense approach needs to be taken, general house work and laundry and cleaning are a part of everyday life so common sense for most would me they are ok, doing garden work that takes you couple of hours to do probably ok, but where it becomes gray would be if mowing would take you all day, then some would say you should get someone in to do, or if painting whole house then pay someone to do, at the end of the day paying someone to help you with bigger tasks is quite cheap here so if it's going to take a while pay someone to do it, but under 2-3 hour tasks probably are ok, and if it's a bigger task and your paying someone to do it then they probably won't complain if you help a bit as long as you don't try to pay less, so always agree a fixed price first for bigger jobs, hope this makes sense and helps

@Cee ******

as it's all online I would think you can do from the States

You will be able to get the DTV I'm sure, the reason an agent won't say that is because they cannot help you with getting a DTV as it's all done online which means they don't make money, some agents are now starting to say they can help though as they will arrange all your travel out of Thailand and stay while you wait, oh and on that note if you go to Cambodia or Vietnam or Lao now it's all online to apply and recently saw a YouTube video saying recent changes now mean it can take 14 days to process, so I advise some research in to that....maybe consider documenting the process to share as it is still early days for the DTV and sometimes changes happen but not shared..but good luck..

@Cee ******

for DTV the money does NOT have to be in a Thai bank account

As others have said it's the owner that is legally responsible and they would get a fine if not done in time, agree agent is asking way to much in Pattaya it's free or 100baht per person, as others have said you can go to immigration and register yourself and if you explain why you are having to do it they may speak to the owner if they are Thai

Thank you for the prompt response

@Stuart ********

sorry the YT video is how the process was a month ago

Ok so if I was to go to Vietnam so I could apply for the Thailand DTV would this now be done online too? I ask because the YT video I watch about the process the applicant didn't seem to go to any fancy Thai embassy

Ok so based on what was being said about being able to do more border runs now I decided to go to the Cambodia boarder and see what the visa agents there say as this would be my third time this year, and so if they say can I would do and if say cannot I would book to go out by air for a couple of days, the border agent said yes can do, the price is now 3k baht up from 2k but still fair price (includes the 1400 Cambodia visa fee), so I went through and back with them and after my Thai side stamp back in an IO officer asked me if I had contacted anyone at the border that day which I had not, he then checked my stamp and said ah ok you get 60 day now and can do again in 60 day, I said ok so can do many many now and he said yes, so as that was direct from an IO I would say that for a while atleast the two times has been removed, but I do think it may come back and as others have said it is always at the discretion of the IO if you get in and so I agree that border bounces should not be relied upon, however while talking about this with a friend it did occur to me that if someone is now in Thailand for more than 180 days they maybe asked to fill out a tax form, so in a way a higher limit to bounces would maybe encourage younger (remote working) people to stay longer and become tax liable and so it could bring in more funds for Thailand so that maybe a consideration, but I for one am now trying to get stuff together for the DTV.

@Neil *****

ok so yes the buying of land may not of been passed yet but it is still on the table and so may happen, apologies for giving wrong information