What has been the experience of DTV visa holders re-entering Thailand after their initial 180 days?

@Luit ****************

and

@Declan *********

you really should refrain from uttering pure speculations. . . . . . . . . . Immigration officers at the borders have absolutely no information in their central computer system about which requirements were used for the visa application.

They have no way of knowing how you qualified for it. We already had reports in Facebook DTV group of many people who already exited and re-entered on DTV visa, and not one reported of being questioned on this matter

Stop the scaremongering.

@Graham *****

is right. At the borders, they only see on their computers that you have been issued a DTV.

That’s what is to it, there isn’t any more information besides that. Immigration does not access the MfA system

@Gr**

most of Europe if not all of it (the UK included), America, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand all have centralised systems in place that contain denied and approved visa applications with all the evidence provided for applications, IO's from countries with these systems, if they want or feel the need can easily take a look at your application at the border on the computer with a few click of a button... And it will not be long before countries in Asia implement their own with some already probably doing it, if Singapore hasn't already done it. The entire visa process is now online... Have you stopped to think they didn't do this just to streamline the process, that maybe just maybe they're doing it to also implement a system like the countries mentioned above... I mean we don't really know, but I know where I would be putting my chips down if this was a casino...

@Declan *********

agreed

@Greg **********

Interesting you are allowed to know which information Immigration has on their computer system

@Luit ****************

you are free to visit Immigration and ask them 😉 Immigration never ever had any access to the MfA computer system

@Greg **********

that will be a nice situation when immigration has to grant an in country extension.

@Luit ****************

an in-country extension of a stay permit is completely different from making a re-entry on a valid visa

@Luit ****************

Immigration Volunteers will actually tell you the same 😉 as I do

@Gra***

some of us clearly stated the requirements to get it, will get more strict when the DTV was first announced, and that the extension process will require the exact same documents for remote workers with soft powers requiring at a minimum the exact same documents, another course if not more... you were one of the people who called bullshit and said those of us who were stating this was just scaremongering, but hey hoe, what do you know... we were right on both counts, why??? because of common sense 🙄🙄

If you want to believe that immigration will allow another visa to go unchecked and rampantly abused like the Non-ED or Volunteer was especially when you have utter donkeys all over closed and public Facebook DTV & Visa, page, Reddit and other forums openly bragging about how they got away with committing what is known as immigration fraud, and then going on to explain in great detail how others can commit immigration fraud, then more power to you, but it's very clear you've forgotten about the sheer amount of people who asked in here alone if they could get a loan or borrow the money and give it back to cover the financial requirements, or how about the visa agents that can now guarantee getting you the DTV in Cambodia and Laos... It's not even been a year and it's already very clear its the latest and greatest Non-ED/Vol. Common sense should be telling you border checks are going to get implemented eventually, Non-ED is a prime example, look how scrutinised those people who have it or had it are when coming through border control now...

@Graham *****

but reentering on non-oa will be checked for insurance, so what is your point?

@Luit ****************

checking the health insurance when entering on a Non-O/A visa is a requirement which needs to be followed by the Immigration officer, before he stamps a new stay permit, so this process actually is a 100% Immigration matter, because they are the ones who issue stay permits, not the MfA who only issue "entry permits" = which is what a "visa" is. Immigration has nothing to do with issuing visa (except when doing the in-country change of visa type - where every 90-days visa is firstly issued 14 days "under consideration" and the application will be sent to the headquarter for a cross-check)

@Greg **********

Immigration indeed stamps a new stay permit, but that is not different for a DTV visa or visa exempt, so why should it be normal that for non-oa there can be requirements, and not for other stay permits. In fact there are requirements for other stay permits, like the onward travel for the visa exempt stay permit. Now there are no special requirements for the 180 day stay permit of a DTV, but that can change in the future at any moment, because it will not be a change in the visa itself, but only in the requirements for the stay. I do not say it will change.

@Luit ****************

hundreds of people have reported re-entries on an existing DTV in the DTV group (you just need to join!) and NOBODY has ever been asked to produce ANY proof

@Greg **********

That is not the discussion here, I agree that at the moment DTV has no extra requirements at entry, I already told that before. But I see no reason why this could not be changed, it would not create a precedent, because for other types of stay also exists checks upon entry.

There is not a single guarantee that what happens today will be the same in a year.

@Luit ****************

I don't speculate, I stick to the facts. I am not your barstool expert who shares wild rumors

@Greg **********

so we agree, we both don't know how border entry requirements are next year.

@Luit ****************

well, but me knowing that the central Immigrartion computer does not show any MfA information on which requirement the DTV was issued on, I fail to see why a border bounce would pose any problem

@Greg **********

it would not be a big update to add an attribute to an information system for a group of users.

And now a border bounce just works, but I am not speculating it will also work in a year.

crystal ball anyone ?

@Graham *****

The fact that Immigration is from a different ministry is irrelevant, it is up to Immigration to do border control.

@Luit ****************

your opinion

@Graham *****

no, not my opinion, it is a fact that immigration is responsible for border control, and gets every access it needs to accomplish their task.

@Luit ****************

your opinion that it is irrelevant, of course Immigration control borders

@Graham *****

It is quite obvious you need visa information to control borders, and besides, there are people reporting immigration did kniw they had DTV visa without showing it, so they have acces to relevant MFA data.

@Luit ****************

So? A DTV visa is just that, there are no different types like the Non-O. In the past people with Tourist Visas could not enter Visa Exempt as they held an active Visa but, on the other hand, people have been stamped in Visa Exempt when they should have been stamped in on a Visa such as a Non-O, so that works both ways.

@Graham *****

You should not be stamped in visa exempt with a valid visa, and immigration should and can check this, but that does not mean they always do check.