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What visa should I get for moving to Thailand with my children and can I teach with only a TEFL certificate?

Jan 27, 2025
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Nie *********
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Hi everyone! I need advice can someone help me answer this please. If I’m planning to move to Thailand in June with my 2 small children should I obtain a visa now or once I arrive? And what visa do my kids need?

I would like to teach English but I don’t have a bachelor degree only a TEFL Certificate. I’m not sure if I should go for a work visa or Educational visa. 🤷🏽‍♀️

And lastly, should I book a one way ticket if I plan to stay long term.✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨✨

Thanks in advance!!!
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The user seeks advice on whether to apply for a visa before moving to Thailand with two children in June. They are unsure about which visa to pursue for themselves (work or educational) since they lack a bachelor’s degree but possess a TEFL certificate. Additionally, they inquire about visa requirements for their children and whether to book a one-way ticket for a long-term stay. The responses highlight that a degree is necessary for a work permit, and suggest researching various visa types. Options discussed include obtaining a tourist visa for initial entry, enrolling children in an international school to apply for educational visas, and considering online work for a Destination Thailand Visa (DTV) grant. There are warnings about the realities of teaching in Thailand, especially without a degree, alongside suggestions for careful financial and logistical planning before relocating.
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Dan *************
Wait. Have you ever taught English? Do you really want to do that or is that just a means to get a visa? Are you good at it? Do you care about the kids you'd be teaching or just your kids. Thailand needs qualified good if not great teachers. Not just opportunists.
Jessica *******
@Dan ************
that is the most judgmental post, you think because she is coming with her two kids she wouldn’t be a good teacher and would only care for her kids. A mom would actually be a more caring teacher then some young kid that hasn’t been around children or only kids she has taught don’t you think.
Nie *********
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@Jessica ******
thanks dear. That was thoughtful of you to chime in. I have had some make false assumptions of my ability to teach as a single parent and without my bachelor degree but I have 19 years in teaching , my homeschool program I run in Dominican Republic (currently) and my TEFL Certificate. I’m learning to be a better teacher everyday . I just want help others while experiencing and exploring. I figured Thailand would be an awesome place. ✨
Dan *************
@Jessica ******
sorry u misunderstood. Her initial post sounded like she just was looking for any kind of job and that teaching was the easiest.. that what I was responding too. She clarified in a later post that she was a qualified teacher and loves teaching. Many people seem to come to Thailand to teach just cause it seems to be an easy visa and job to get. That was my point.
Nie *********
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@Dan ************
I understand where you’re coming from but if I’m not mistaken you currently living there? And would I have been wrong to judge and say you were only there for cheap sex and or to find a wife whom you could control and take advantage of because she’s poor. In reality most men who travel to these less fortunate countries go there for those reasons . They don’t contribute to the country they only take. Most men arrive with selfish motives and intentions. I have a huge heart to spread love, teach and inspire. This is why I never judged you by asking you what are you doing there and in what way were you contributing. People should learn to stop judging and not worry so much on the choices others make. Again, I merely ask a direct question and received judgement. But no worries. I love to defuse conflict with love and understanding. 😊
Dan *************
@Nie ********
HI. So I don't live in Thailand. I live in the States where I met my wife five years ago this week. --- so my only trips --- to Thailand-- we're with her-- and meeting her family and friends-- so sorry- no cheap sex here. No taking advantage of Thai People. I think actually we are both on the same page in our love of Thailand and Thai culture and not wanting people to take advantage of this beautiful country and it's people. I wish you and your children all the best!
Nie *********
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@Dan ************
thank you much and congratulations on your new chapter. Love is beautiful and sharing it is even more beautiful!
Jessica *******
@Dan ************
gotcha sorry I misunderstood
Dan *************
@Jessica ******
no worries at all! I was clearly a little quick to judge! My bad not yours!
Nie *********
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@Dan ************
growth is accepting accountability. Thanks for your honesty. Next time respond with humility.
Nie *********
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@Dan ************
as I’ve previously stated . I have taught English and Spanish for 19 years. I’ve also been a homeschool mom of 19 years. I have even taught Chinese students Spanish. I run a pop-up life skills youth mentoring program in America. I currently live in Dominican finishing up with building our school with a library for the less fortunate students. I currently work here teaching the locals and expat families. I don’t have to teach honestly speaking because I have the money to just leave abroad and relax for awhile considering I run two business here in DR therefore money comes in monthly. I choose to work because I have a passion to teach and also learn. I love languages. I speak 4 so learning Thai would be a great way to connect with the beautiful people . I’m good at anything I touch because whatever I do is from my heart. I love and only want to spread love and positive energy. I obviously care about my children too. None of what you wrote had nothing to do with my initial post. People on facebook are very judgy and create false assumptions. In conclusion I may not have a degree but humbly speaking the last I checked God doesn’t call the qualified He qualifies the called. If it’s meant for me to teach in a school or in my home privately. It’s going to work because I’m destined to touch the soil of many lands.❤️❤️❤️

Thanks for your response!

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Henrik *****
You have a lot of work in front of you, with figuring out how things work in Thailand and with visa’s to Thailand.

Do not expect to get a job, since unskilled work is reserved for Thai people only.

The post is very naive, have you even read the website of a Thai Embassy.
Nie *********
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@Henrik ****
I appreciate your response I take everyone’s information into consideration. As I have stated I recently read the site information in full and now understand what visa will suit me best. But during the time I simply ask questions to gain opinions and advice from other foreigners who live in Thailand. I have received mixed answers, informative and helpful answers as well as judgmental responses.

As I have previously stated I have $50,000 saved my kids will be good because my friend is a digital nomad who will be going with me . She’s also a stay at home mom so babysitting is not the issue. If I was hired at a school. Understanding you need a degree. However, the way my life works I may run into a school who will hire me with my TEFL certification. I’m not looking to take jobs away from the Thai people instead I’m trying to add. However I can be a blessing to the country. I also run 2 businesses in Dominican Republic and run a a pop up life skills youth mentoring nonprofit in America. So even then the beautiful people can benefit from me. It’s all about working together. Money isn’t the issue and working is not the goal. I just wanted to know what visa would suit my children and I best and I only wanted to work because I love kids, teaching and learning languages. ✨

But I thank you for your response and I will save this picture. ✨
Us *****
Wait, you need to backtrack and rethink what you are doing. First, how are you going to educate your 2 kids? International school is super expensive. If you can afford to send them to school, you can get a visa of stay. Also, Thailand is not cheap. I hope you have enough saved. Let's say if you can become a teacher here, who is going to watch your kids. They will work you to death here.
Nie *********
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@Us ****
I have $50,000 saved my kids will be good because my friend is a digital nomad who will be going with me . She’s also a stay at home mom so babysitting is not the issue. I also run 2 businesses in Dominican Republic and run a nonprofit in America. Money won’t be the issue I just wanted to know what visa would suit my children and I best and I wanted to work because I love kids, teaching and learning languages. ✨
Dan *************
@Nie ********
good to hear this!
Us *****
@Nie ********
okay International school should cost 10-20k usd a year and they will give you and your kid a visa for it.
Nie *********
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@Us ****
now this is great information. Is this all International schools? And can this visa allow us to be permanent residents? And where should I look to obtain this information because this could potentially work?
Us *****
@Nie ********
no visa will give you permanent residency
Nie *********
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@Us ****
incorrect I just look this up .

Procedure for Applying for Thai Permanent Residency in 2024

Hold a non-immigrant visa for at least three consecutive years.

Maintain a valid visa at the time of application.

Meet financial requirements and have a clean criminal record.

Thanks for your response.
Us *****
@Nie ********
trust me, what they say and what they do is not the same thing. There are farangs here what a Thai wife and kid and they won't even give them a visa pass one year. You will always be a tourist for them. Just accept that fact.
Nie *********
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@Us ****
well everyone’s situation is different. I’m going to investigate more and find out once I arrive. I’m a positive thinker and generally speaking I always manifest what I want ✨✨✨
Ravit ******************
Another way for you is to enroll kids into an international school. Then issue for one of them education visa based on the school's paperwork (school will help you with that), and then you can issue a visa for yourself as the child's guardian. We were on these type of visas for many years, since kindergarten to highschool. There's additional requirements for that (open a bank account and show min 500k thb 3 months

prior the application etc).

But for the moment, before you do that, I would suggest you to obtain a simple tourist visa from your home country for 60-90 days for yourself (the kids can be without a visa until the age of 14), and later while you are already in Thailand - find the right solution that will suit you best and change the visa to a longer term type (maybe first time with an agent, then learn your way to do it on your own in the following year).

As for a job: You might be able to find a job in international school in a position that does not require a degree, and in some you can get great discounts for your kids enrollment as an employee. But that's too early to think about. Do things step by step. The Thai embassy in your country would be able to provide you with clear info and advise.
Nie *********
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@Ravit *****************
well said dear . Thanks very much ❤️
Declan **********
This maybe your plan but the reality is that a degree is essential to teach in thailand. Without you can't legally work as a teacher.

There are ways around it but you're putting you and your families future in a foreign country at great risk with potentially life changing consequences.

You can however go the education route (find a school/university and apply to go). However unless your ED visa is from a well known accredited university its going to give hassle in the future.

If you are able to find work online (if you need work) you have 1 more option, Destination Thailand Visa (DTV). This will give you 5 years in Thailand 180 days per entry + 1 180 day extension. However you will need to meet the financial requirements and embassies are rapidly changing the requirements around the DTV and it is getting more difficult to obtain. If you don't need work you can still obtain the DTV through other means such as courses like Muay Thai or cooking.

The DTV visa must be obtain outside the country and cannot be obtained while in thailand, you will also be required to show the embassy you apply at your current location, so there is no cheating the system. However, regarding the ED-Visa most school and universities can convert from a exemption or TRV to an ED-Visa in country.
Nie *********
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Nie *********
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@Declan *********
thanks so much for this information
Greg ***********
here the requirements for a "change of visa type" . . . . . .the position 2 is for "change" to teacher (B visa) and the position 3 is for "change" to Education (ED-visa)
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Greg ***********
@Nie ********
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Nie *********
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Thanks everyone you all have been super supportive!
Nigel **************
Have you thought about how you will care for and pay for two small children on a teacher's salary here?
Nie *********
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@Nigel *************
I only express my desire to teach because I love children , love learning, sharing and teaching. I run a youth nonprofit and teach/ tutor online to my students in America and in the Dominican Republic. I also live in Dominican Republic with a tour company and taxi company it will still operate even though I’m gone. I get paid with these 3 business monthly. I’m an author and a manager to my 6 year old who became an author at 4 she has over 29k followers. She does things where she gets paid too. I’m full time homeschool mom here in Dominican Republic assuming if I can’t teach in Thailand perhaps I can open up my private program and provide this service to the expat community just as I do here. I also have well over 50,000 saved it’s not much but as a single mom I think starting off I will be ok.
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So to answer your question yes I have thought out a plan well. My goal is really not to work hard but to enjoy this spiritual journey and serve where God needs me too ❤️
Ernesto ********
@Nigel *************
doesn’t look like she’s thinking about them at all.
Nie *********
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@Ernesto *******
I’m not sure where this assumption stems from sounds pretty judgmental.

I only express my desire to teach because I love children , love learning, sharing and teaching. I run a youth nonprofit and teach/ tutor online to my students in America and in the Dominican Republic. I also live in Dominican Republic with a tour company and taxi company it will still operate even though I’m gone. I get paid with these 3 business monthly. I’m an author and a manager to my 6 year old who became an author at 4 she has over 29k followers. She does things where she gets paid too. I’m full time homeschool mom here in Dominican Republic assuming if I can’t teach in Thailand perhaps I can open up my private program and provide this service to the expat community just as I do here. I also have well over 50,000 saved it’s not much but as a single mom I think starting off I will be ok.
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So to answer your question yes I have thought out a plan well. My goal is really not to work hard but to enjoy this spiritual journey and serve where God needs me too ❤️
Cissi *********
You can't "go for" either work visa or educational visa.

To get a work visa (Non-Immigrant B) you need a job first and have the necassary paperwork from the employer (plus apply for a work permit once you have the visa).

For an educational visa (Non-Immigrant ED) you must be enrolled to a school/institute/university to study in Thailand and have all the requiered paperwork from the school.

I suggest that you do some more research about different Thai visas - the web page for the Thai embassy in your home country is a good place to start.
Cissi *********
Also, as Andi wrote already - to be an english teacher in Thailand you must have a bachelor’s degree. That is a requierment to receive a work visa (Non-Immigrant B), which is needed to get a teaching license.
Nie *********
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Declan **********
@Cissi ********
it's a requirement across any visa that allows you to work in Thailand such as the Non-O (Marriage). You can't get the work permit without the letter from MoE you can't get the letter from MoE without showing your degree to the Kurusapa for the PTL (provisional teaching licence.)
Barbie ***********
1 way ticket is always the best i fly november 24, 2024 i go back home january 23 2025
Nie *********
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@Barbie **********
who did you fly with?
Barbie ***********
@Nie ********
emirates Bkk to Dxb
Nie *********
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@Barbie **********
thanks dear so much . They obviously never ask you for a return flight? What’s the likelihood of being ask and what could happen?
Declan **********
@Nie ********
yes, most airlines are hit and miss but in my experinece it's quite rare for Emirates not to ask for an onwards/return ticket when you don't have a proper visa.
Greg ***********
@Nie ********
the airline will refuse boarding the flight and you will be left standing at the airport
Nie *********
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@Greg **********
😬 thanks
Ralph *******
@Barbie **********
No good if your airline asks to see your exit ticket from Thailand.
Nie *********
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@Ralph ******
what is the likelihood of them asking because I get mixed answers here. What happens if they ask and I don’t have one?
Ralph *******
@Nie ********
It really depends on the airline. If you don’t have one then they have the right to refuse boarding. I have been asked on my last three trips, different airlines each time.
Greg ***********
@Nie ********
the airline will refuse boarding the flight and you will be left standing at the airport. And as you are three people, you will quickly need to buy either three so called" onwardtickets", or three "real" one-way tickets as onward travel proof out of Thailand within the 60 days you will get stamped in when you enter visa-exempt. You need to be quick, or you run into the risk to miss the flight
Andi ***********
A degree is essential to get a work permit. It is a legal requirement for teachers. If you are able to get work online then you could get a DTV, gives you 5 years in Thailand. Can only work online teaching non Thai students though.
Nie *********
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Oh ok so I understand I get the DTV visa one time for 5 years and in that 5 year period every 6 months leave to like Bali for example then reenter. Once 5 years ends return to look for a new visa? Thanks dear so informative! Lastly, how long should I be gone before recentering ?
Declan **********
@Nie ********
with every entry you can apply for a 180 day extension. So theoretically you can spend 360 days in thailand before you need to do a border-bouce (leave and come back)
Nie *********
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Greg ***********
@Nie ********
keep in mind you have to show 500,000 THB in your bank account (equivalent to 14,830 US Dollar) for the application to the DTV. And most embassies want the money to be seasoned for 3 months, and some embassies actually ask for a 6-month seasoning. You cannot apply for the DTV inside Thailand, you must be outside of Thailand, you need to be physically inside the country which is using the e-visa online system for applications, and you need to prove your presence in this country
Emma-Louise *********
@Greg **********
coming from the UK didn't require the money to be in for any period, I moved it all from other accounts on the day. Showed the statement and it was fine. So it depends on the embassy
Greg ***********
@Emma-Louise ********
yes it depends on the processing embassy. Vientiane for example asks for a three month statement
Graham ******
@Nie ********
minutes, days, weeks, up to you
Andi ***********
@Nie ********
You can stay one full year on the DTV if you extend via an immigration office but requires paperwork to be shown and updated bank balance of 500k THB. Majority think it is easier to leave and reenter. Yes, leave to a nearby country for a couple of days then return,
Nie *********
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Nie *********
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@Andi **********
DTV visa and Education Visa are not the same correct? If I did the DTV visa could I eventually be a resident? Could I also still go to school to learn the Thai language ?
Marcus **********
@Nie ********
You can get a DTV to learn Thai or other soft power, but then you can't work even online. DTV must be applied for outside Thailand.
Nie *********
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One more thing should I obtain my DTV visa once I arrive or should I do it prior too?
Graham ******
@Nie ********
you cannot get a DTV in Thailand as it is classed as a Tourist Visa
Andi ***********
@Nie ********
They are different, DTV is for online work only while living in Thailand. You can be resident for 5 years only with multi entry. Yes, you can learn Thai in a school.
Nie *********
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@Andi **********
this sounds more like the visa I need. After 5 years do I have to leave or I get to stay continuing to reenter ?
Andi ***********
@Nie ********
At the moment the DTV is just one time only so you would need to get a new visa. leaving and reentering most likely.
Nie *********
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@Andi **********
ok so I can teach online in Chinese for example and the DTV would be doable? This is the visa I need to reenter every 6 months ?
Andi ***********
@Nie ********
yes that is right. I know someone on the DTV teaching kids online in China
Mouad *************
If your children under 12 they don't need a visa
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