First time in France, 1985, they had these. But they were luxury compared to the cesspit I encountered in the early 90s in Morocco, going through Atlas Mountains. My then partner took a look and said, "It's a shitstorm. You can't manage it "The smell was horrible. We hunted around and found some bushes.
I prefer the Elite over retirement Non O for the longer term. With two of us it's a lot of money right now. Might not be a problem in a while but right now it's tight for cashflow.